{"id":21298,"date":"2011-09-09T12:00:39","date_gmt":"2011-09-09T19:00:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.highdefdigest.com\/blog\/?p=21298"},"modified":"2017-06-26T21:56:44","modified_gmt":"2017-06-27T04:56:44","slug":"roundtable-starwars-changes","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.highdefdigest.com\/blog\/roundtable-starwars-changes\/","title":{"rendered":"Weekend Roundtable: Worst &#8216;Star Wars&#8217; Special Edition Changes"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Yes, I know. We may be beating a dead bantha here with all the recent complaining about &#8216;Star Wars&#8217;. Nevertheless, with the new Blu-ray release imminent, what else could we pick for a Roundtable topic this week? Of all the stupid changes that George Lucas has made to the &#8216;Star Wars&#8217; films, which one upsets you the most?<br \/>\n<!--more--><\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">M. Enois Duarte<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The most annoying and frustrating change for me is the 1997 alteration in &#8216;Episode IV: A New Hope&#8217;. Obviously, I&#8217;m referring to the whole &#8220;Who shot first?&#8221; controversy between Han Solo and Greedo inside the Mos Eisley Cantina. This created quite a controversy back then. Lucas defends the change as something about giving younger viewers a better message, but seriously, that&#8217;s just lame. I don&#8217;t recall ever hearing kids complain that Han shooting Greedo first confused them in some way about the character or his eventual rise to heroism. In fact, it&#8217;s done more damage by making Han act in self-defense. Not only does the scene look awful and awkward due to digital manipulation, it completely removes, if not utterly ruins, the character&#8217;s anti-hero status and the moral ambiguity of the Western theme he&#8217;s meant to personify. Lucas can keep adding more starfighters to battle scenes so as to make them seem grander \u2013 that doesn&#8217;t matter as much to me. But that iconic Mos Eisley scene is the worst change, because it actually alters a viewer&#8217;s perception of one of the greatest and most cherished film characters ever created. Stupid, stupid, stupid!<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Nate Boss<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>As much as I hate hearing Jar-Jar at the end of &#8216;Return of the Jedi&#8217;, as much as I loathe the &#8220;Jedi Rocks&#8221; musical number (including new characters Drumming Weequay Asshole, Scat-Master McCGI, and the various dancing hookers that make Boba Fett look like a bonafide pimp), as much as I hate Han&#8217;s digital slide in the Mos Eisley Cantina as Greedo fires and misses\u2026 the worst change (out of all ten thousand candidates) has to be Hayden Christiansen at the end of the saga. Let&#8217;s think about this: Qui-Gon Jinn screams in &#8216;Episode II&#8217;, and teaches Yoda how to become a force ghost in &#8216;Episode III&#8217;. By this time, the man known as Anakin Skywalker was no more, having succumbed to the Dark Side, becoming Darth NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! So how is it that he learned to be a ghost in the first place? <\/p>\n<p>Sure, QGJ has appeared in the CGI &#8216;Clone Wars&#8217; series as an apparition this last season, so eventually we may see him teach &#8220;the chosen one&#8221; a trick or two. But since when has the scroungy haired whiny bitch ever been good at keeping a secret? He spills the beans in words and actions. He&#8217;s as easy to read as a book. So, if this gets retconned (retroactive continuity) to make QGJ teach whiny bitch era Anakin this maneuver, why didn&#8217;t the galaxy&#8217;s biggest blabbermouth ever teach Ki-Adi Mundi, or Aayla Secura? What about Mace Windu? Yarael Poof? Even Piell? Ahsoka Tano? Weird dude with no legs who can&#8217;t logistically fight worth a shit? Plo Koon? Kit Fisto? Yaddle? Why don&#8217;t we just have every fucking Jedi in history show up in the end, to confuse Luke further? It would make about as much sense.<\/p>\n<p>Sebastian Shaw never made sense in the scene in the first place, but it showed that the man still aged. It stopped all this bullshit about the man literally ceasing to be, a line from the first film that has turned from an analogy to a literal statement. No matter what, the Power of the Force (and prior to that, baggied mail-in) figure from 1983 era &#8216;Star Wars&#8217; action figures is the true Anakin Skywalker, circa &#8216;Return of the Jedi&#8217;. If he isn&#8217;t, then what use is that figure? Is he going to be changed to some creepy old molester Jedi? Will his eyebrows sue Lucas for their royalties, since they were scorched off in the last set of changes? Is his family mad that now his character has the galaxy&#8217;s biggest codpiece because his other lightsaber was burnt off? <\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Adam Tyner (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.dvdtalk.com\/reviews\/bio.php?ID=1&#038;reviewID=38127\">DVDTalk<\/a>)<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Okay, so here&#8217;s what bugs me so much about Hayden Christensen replacing Sebastian Shaw as the ghostly image of Anakin\/Vader at the end of &#8216;Return of the Jedi&#8217;. Yoda was able to stave off the temptations of the Dark Side for, like, a thousand years. Obi-Wan wasn&#8217;t that old, no, but he didn&#8217;t waver from the path of the right and true either. The ghosts of the best Jedi warriors are weathered, old, and gray. Anakin, meanwhile, blew up entire planets, had amassed a body count of who knows how many billions of lives, and rejected pretty much everything the Jedi instructed him to do at every possible turn. His ghost gets all the cyborg bits replaced with fleshy parts, and the clock&#8217;s rolled back to when the guy was in his twenties and at the prime of his life. How is that fair? I mean, Vader&#8217;s makeover was kind of a problem in the original version of Jedi too, but dumping Hayden Christensen into that shot just rubs salt in the wound.<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Aaron Peck<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>When it comes to the much-maligned changes that George Lucas has made to his original trilogy, I can&#8217;t pick out a specific one that really gets me steamed. On the other hand, what really bothers me is the infusion of CG effects throughout the films. Not only is it jarring to witness CG animation in movies that were made at a time when computer animated effects weren&#8217;t possible, but it shows that Lucas thought less of his own movies than we did. What the addition of CGI animals, characters and scenery says to me is that Lucas didn&#8217;t realize that we already thought the original trilogy was a modern marvel when it came to visual effects. He thought that they needed something more, so he added in things here and there like an old lady collects porcelain bunnies for her mantel. It&#8217;s gaudy and unnecessary, but Lucas likes it so the rest of us have to endure it. <\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Mike Attebery<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>As everyone and their grandmother has said, Greedo shooting first was a stupid alteration, and some of the other additions are equally moronic, but nothing is as bad as Vader&#8217;s new scream. For the last week, I&#8217;ve been discussing this with friends who haven&#8217;t heard about it yet, and their first response is always: <em>&#8220;Are you kidding me?!&#8221;<\/em> That absurd scream cuts the drama and mystery down at the knees. Just a terrible, terrible change.<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Luke Hickman<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Like I answered in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.highdefdigest.com\/blog\/star-wars-poll2\/\">this week&#8217;s poll<\/a>, I&#8217;m done buying &#8216;Star Wars&#8217;. I&#8217;ve paid for the original trilogy three times now and the prequel trilogy once. I&#8217;m done paying for them. They aren&#8217;t even the same films that I originally saw. Therefore, I don&#8217;t really care to see the new Blu-ray transfers. I can&#8217;t pick out just one annoying change, because they&#8217;re all equally ridiculous. It was fine when George remastered the movies, threw in some deleted scenes and touched up FX and audio in the mid-&#8217;90s, but now he&#8217;s just meddling. I&#8217;ve thrown in the towel. I&#8217;m done. No &#8216;Star Wars&#8217; on Blu for this guy. I simply don&#8217;t care anymore. Plus, you can&#8217;t say that the prequel trilogy didn&#8217;t hurt the integrity of the originals anyway.<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Dick Ward<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>There&#8217;s a lot to choose from here, but one change stands out in my mind, probably because it was at the very end of the trilogy. Lucas decided to put a song and dance number into the middle of &#8216;Jedi&#8217;, yet for some reason decided that the Ewok song at the end had to go. It&#8217;s strange, because &#8220;Yub Nub&#8221; is exactly the sort of thing we&#8217;d expect from Lucas these days, what with his Jar Jars and goofy Dexter Jettsters and Kitt Fistos. So not only is this charge horribly offensive to me (&#8220;Yub Nub&#8221; holds a very special place in my heart and ends the movie really well, relieving all the tension and letting the audience know it&#8217;s all going to be okay), it&#8217;s also the one change that I absolutely don&#8217;t understand. Ah well, maybe the Gungans will sing it in the special edition of &#8216;Phantom Menace&#8217; in ten years or so.<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Wayne Rowe<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Well, I actually think that Greedo shooting first is the second-worst change. For me, the WORST is changing the ghosts at the end of &#8216;RotJ&#8217; and having young Anakin (ie. Hayden Christensen) appear instead of the older Anakin we originally saw. It doesn&#8217;t make any sense for a young Anakin to show up there&#8230; Obi-Wan and Yoda both appear AS THEY WERE UPON THEIR DEATHS, not some fancy, younger version of them.<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Josh Zyber<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Honestly, I hate every single change that George Lucas has imposed onto the original trilogy. Every one of them makes the movies worse, not better. If I have to pick, the alteration that really riles me the most would have to be the new Jabba the Hutt scene in the first &#8216;Star Wars&#8217;. <\/p>\n<p>Everything about this scene is abhorrent to me. First off, the CGI looks terrible (yes, even the latest rendition, which has been improved somewhat since the 1997 version). The bit where Lucas has to digitally lift Han Solo up to make him &#8220;step&#8221; on Jabba&#8217;s tail is an idiotic bit of comic relief (worst in the 1997 version, where Jabba makes a cartoonish googly-eyes face when it happens). Introducing Jabba this early in the trilogy utterly destroys the fantastic reveal of this mysterious and much-discussed character in &#8216;Return of the Jedi&#8217;. And the CG version looks nothing at all like the Jabba we&#8217;ll later see in &#8216;Jedi&#8217;!<\/p>\n<p>Worst of all, the dialogue in this scene is nearly line-for-line identical to the dialogue Han Solo just had with Greedo one scene earlier. Obviously, when he shot the footage in 1977 and realized that the scene wasn&#8217;t going to work, Lucas made some script adjustments to incorporate the important story points into Han&#8217;s conversation with Greedo instead. With the Jabba scene reinstated, we now get that same dialogue twice in a row, back-to-back. This is just bad editing. One of them has to go. Lucas was right to cut the Jabba scene the first time around. It isn&#8217;t needed, and just weakens the film. It&#8217;s perhaps the most glaring example of how lost in his own head George Lucas has gotten.<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;<\/p>\n<p>Those are the &#8216;Star Wars&#8217; changes that bother us the most. Now tell us yours in the Comments. Are you most annoyed by the &#8220;Jedi Rocks&#8221; musical number, or Vader&#8217;s pointless new shuttle ride in &#8216;Empire Strikes Back&#8217;? Perhaps it&#8217;s the addition of a Praxis ring (lifted directly out of &#8216;Star Trek VI&#8217;) around the Death Star explosion? 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